Do Casino Player Cards Rigged
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*Are Casino Machines Rigged
*Do Casino Player Cards Rigged Against
*Do Casino Player Cards Rigged Money
They rig the game by writing the rules such that the house wins a larger share of the money than the players. It isn’t very complicated. Here is how it works. Suppose we play a game. I lay down 5 cards, 3 black, 2 red. Now you are allowed to place a bet at 1-to-1 odds that you can pick a red card from the 5 face down cards. As it is extremely difficult to fold pocket aces post-flop, there is an increased risk that he will lose all his chips because of his playing style. Online poker is not rigged, but players who do not follow the basic strategies will lose money. Online Poker is Rigged Because Playing at a. Yep they are rigged but not how u may think. Cards are clumped over time when people play basic strategy. If you play enough you will observe that the dealer busts less tgan on a hand shuffle bj game. Any answer to the contrary is either by a novice or a casino staff member. Play hand shuffle for better odds, assuming you play basic strategy. Video poker games in main gaming jurisdictions are definitely not rigged. Inside video poker machines software is a random number generator or what we know as RNG. This basically keeps the simulated deck of cards used in the casino game constantly shuffled.
If you’ve played a card game in a Las Vegas casino, you’ve probably had your cards shuffled by an automatic card shuffler. These mysterious black boxes do their job, quietly and effectively, making sure the cards come out randomly, to protect both the casino and the player. Mostly the casino.
A Players Club card. Virtually every casino offers a players card, and virtually every casino Players Club offers you some sort of incentives to use the card. In today’s post, we’ll talk about this and why it’s a critical part of your gambling experience to use a players card.
We were given a rare glimpse into the inner workings of an automatic card shuffler at a Strip hotel during some routine maintenance. Our mind still hasn’t stopped being blown.Are Casino Machines Rigged
Automatic card shufflers are complicated. Like Las Vegas prostitution.
The shuffling machine’s a lot more complicated than we’d imagined. Wheels and gears and belts and motors move the cards around with robot-like efficiency, dispensing them based upon the game being played.
The machine we saw the innards of was being used at a three card poker table, so the cards were coming out in batches of three.
We grabbed some sweet video of the automatic card shuffler in action. Which we’re pretty sure we weren’t supposed to do. We’re not a big fan of rules. It won’t take long for you to learn this about us. Let’s watch.
Amazing stuff, don’t you think? It’s like capturing footage of a Sasquatch, or something even more rare, like video of Criss Angel solving a math problem.
Most automatic shuffling machines you see in casinos were made by Shufflemaster, a company now called SHFL Entertainment for reasons lost on us. In the SHFL offices, there’s a wooden prototype of their first automatic shuffler, from 1983, made mostly of wood.
Imagine a global company being based on wood. You know, like Playboy Enterprises.
The history of card shufflers is riveting, so naturally, you won’t find it here. Go here if you care to learn more. Best day to go to a casino and win.
We’re endlessly fascinated by how casinos do what they do. And you?
For the longest time I have been debating with other players about
these so-called random number generators machines that for some reason everyone believes they are legit. These machines cost over $10,000 for each unit not to just to be completely random. There are other features that make these much more valuable.
these machines have the ability to read every card while shuffling and they can be remotely programmed to play different card games. Each machine has 2 different cameras inside!
They claim the reason they use these machines is to get more hands
dealt. Each time a hand is dealt the house gets a few dollars for their
cut.The machines shuffle a deck while game is in play, so when one hand is done the dealer just loads the machine back up with the deck just played, while grabbing the other deck that’s been shuffled.
Can anyone answer any of these red flags because i have asked the
dealers the floor man the pit boss and not one have answered any.
1. Why do they have 2 cameras inside, when i spoke with a bally
representative he claimed its to catch cheaters. He had a machine
opened up and showed me the cameras he then took a card out while it was opened and turned it on. the shuffler started shuffling and then stopped. Sure enough, on the screen popped up the 8 of hearts the card that the rep. was holding. IT CAN READ THE CARDS PEOPLE! RED FLAG!
2. I then asked the rep. can this machine only play 1 game? The rep.
said oh no this game can be remotely programmed to play any game the user desires. IT CAN BE REMOTELY PROGRAMMED PEOPLE!THEREFORE IT CAN BE REMOTELY PROGRAMMED AND PLACE ANY CARD WHERE IT CHOOSES.THINK ABOUT IT.
IT CAN GIVE YOU THE BEST LOOKING HAND MAKING YOU THINK THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY OF LOSING. SO YOU GO ALL IN,EITHER PRE FLOP WITH YOUR ACES OR KINGS OR AFTER THE FLOP, ON THE TURN, OR THE RIVER! ONLY TO LOSE ALL
YOUR CHIPS TO SOME DONKEY HAND.THE ARGUMENT I HAVE WITH OTHER PLAYERS IS WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS WHEN WE ARE ALL PLAYING AGAINST ONE ANOTHER.
WELL.... LETS JUST THROW OUT ONE REMARK THAT THEY MAKE ENOUGH MONEY. HAVE YOU EVER MET ANYONE THAT CLAIMS THEY MAKE ENOUGH MONEY? In my opinion the main reason they dictate the cards is for JACKPOTS! YOU KNOW FOR SURE THESE CASINOS HATE PAYING OUT THE JACKPOTS. WITH THESE MACHINES THEY CAN DECIDE WHEN AND WHAT SEATS HIT AND HAVE THEIR PLAYER OR PLAYERS COLLECT THE PURSE. THAT’S A NO BRAINER! one casino i have played at there is this old man who has hit the jackpot over 30 times while others that have played there just as much never hit it once. Hes just real lucky that’s all! Another argument is they cant do that they will get caught by the gaming commission. They monitor all the casinos. How are they going to catch them its impossible to prove.
3. Ive asked the dealer why do they cut the deck every time in half. why cant they cut it differently each shuffle. their response is they cant.WHY CANT THEY! RED FLAG
4.ON SEVERAL INSTANCES THE SHUFFLERS JAM UP AND STOP WORKING. SO WHY AT THAT POINT INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR A NEW MACHINE TO BE IN LIKE MOST OF THEM DO, WHY DON’T THEY START SHUFFLING AND DEAL THE CARDS. THEY ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING MORE DROPS IN?
5. DON’T YOU THINK THAT ITS STRANGE HOW THE WSOP DOESN’T USE THESE MACHINES. THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE COMPETE AGAINST ONE ANOTHER, WOULDN’T YOU THINK THEY WOULD WANT TO GET THROUGH THE HANDS WITH MUCH FASTER AND
WITH A RANDOM NUMBER SHUFFLE THEN HAND SHUFFLED.
If anyone has any insight on why this continues in all the casinos, or
any factual rebuttals, i would love to hear from you. As it stands right now for me i don’t play with these machines anymore only
hand shuffled games which are only tournaments. being in southern
California there is only one casino that i have come across that has a
hand shuffled cash game and that 2 hours from me. Comments
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I have definitely been pondering this one for a few reasons. One has to do with an experience in a small poker room using the machines a few years back when the cards just landed too strangely to be real for a whole Friday night. The next day was ’normal’ again. I didn’t think about it too much as I was a beneficiary that night as a ’new’ player I was welcomed with great hands, pots, and a lot of money that night. After that first night, it was never the same again for me there. I still look back at that night and say to myself, was I really that good at poker that I was able to turn $100 into $2000 in 4 hours? That has never happened before or since.
Fast forward to today, when I know much more about technology, and card odds.
I took a random interest in 3 card poker this week, and starting watching it more. It is computer dealt to each player first 3 cards at a time with the dealer last under very strict rules about staying in your seat at all times, waiting for all cards to be dealt before looking, and never hand-shuffled ever. I also had a pro tell me that it is typically good to sit first or last in a full or nearly full game. That sounded bizarre to me, but I tested it, and sure enough, I was hitting bonuses, 3 card straights and flushes, and was even struck by some of the full houses made by neighboring hands, whether it connected to the dealer or not (the full house bonus of your best 5 made from your 3 cards with the house’s 3 cards). Sitting in the middle of the table was death for almost everyone.
Not my favorite game in general, but it did make me think more about those machines.
So, there are 2 schools of thought- One is that it just is not good for business if this was really happening, and who would keep pouring money down a fixed system, not to mention liability from the company that makes Shuffle Master.
Enough people win, that it doesn’t look fixed, and it’s nearly impossible to prove. Also, we Americans like to think that the gaming commission would prevent such a thing; however, how many times in the last 20 years have we made discoveries as a society about things that should have been caught, noticed, or detected and it took way too long. (9-11 for instance among 1000s) However, it is interesting that one company alone has a monopoly on these machines which have been adopted into most major casinos, and it has all the features you mentioned. Not that Vegas hasn’t had a monopoly on other businesses, and made sure that maximum gain was made at the expense of the gambler. We all know it’s possible, but would they really give a game a house edge to maximize profit? Certainly. Would people still win? Certainly. Does blackjack seem wonky when played out of one of those machines? Absolutely. Are flops stranger than hell from those machines, yes! Do more players get pocket pairs and A-J, A-Q, A-K then usual from those machines? Yes. I have noticed all of these, but can’t really prove it.
I have been careful not to mention any specifics in this dialogue, but I am very curious if others experiences resemble mine in any way in any or other games. It seems that once you detect the patterns, you can effectively play better, but there will always be random curveballs thrown into the mix. And, we can’t forget that Poker especially can be as random as it gets, and anything is truly possible. But, once you’ve seen enough hands, I think most of us can detect something is strange when too many things happen that are too good to be truly random.
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thank you both for your advice. shuffle masters was bought by a company called Bally. I was at the Bicycle casino and was walking through the floor and i came across a fellow who worked for bally not the casino. he was a repair man. he had a shuffler with the top cover removed so you could see the inside. This was a great time i thought to get some answers about the machines that all the casinos use. So i played it cool and asked him can these machines read cards. he said yes they each are equipped with 2 cameras. i then asked can this machine just play 3 card poker or 5 card stud etc.. he said oh no these machines can be remotely programmed to play any game. he also stated how expensive they were and how they are rented by casinos like you said. Those 2 facts are a recipe for disaster. This proves that machines are capable of setting up the deck how ever they want. Now are we to be trusting knowing its impossible to prove that these poker rooms are not going to cheat us, im sorry fellas they are for sure. try this next live cash game you play. At all the single deck BJ tables they allow you to cut the deck with a card and some other games when they use a shoe. you are allowed to cut it where ever you choose true? Ask the dealer to cut the deck in a different place then always directly in half. this would throw off the deck and eliminate the cheat. They wont do it. they claim that they are not allowed to. WTF is that all about. I asked them why? they have no reason why just because! now that’s another RED FLAG. I am blown away at most players refusal to see the truth and back these machines without even looking at the facts. The casino could also offer at least 1 table that has a hand shuffled live cash game but they are too greedy apparently. This is a big deal when it comes down to it. I would think by having just these few red flags that something could be done to blackball these cheats. The house is already favored without these machines. am i really asking too much?
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These are my thoughts based on a poker room only, not pit games..
1. In the event of cheating, it is always beneficial and faster to know what card is missing so it can be identified and, as a player, ensures me that I am in fact NOT being cheated by someone holding a card. You’re focused on being cheated by the casino when it’s design is to prevent being cheated by others which helps you.
2. There is no way the machines are used to ’set up the deck’ to hit jackpots. I will have to agree with @zzjitterzz that you are being far too paranoid. Additionally, the machine can never know if, after being shuffled, a one or multiple players will ask to be dealt out, get up for a walk etc. which will change the order of the deal. Additionally, there is no way to tell how any player will a specific hand.
3. Cutting the deck was done historically to prevent stacking the deck. Cutting it in half makes sense. Also, if you can find me a dealer that can cut a deck at the 26th card every single time, I would be impressed. Setting up a deck, then cutting it exactly at card 26 seems like an impossibility. Dealers cut decks around the half way mark but no chance they are exact every time which means the deal is going to be different even if the deck is ’set up.’
4. It is faster to clear a jam than it is to replace a machine. Yes they are concerned about getting more drops in - casinos are not non-profit organizations. As a poker player, I would like more hands per hour as well. That should be seen as a win/win. Also, I have seen on many occasions that when a machine malfunctions a couple times, they will replace it and hand shuffle until a different machine is brought over.
5. WSOP utilizes fold out tables to accommodate the thousands of players in multiple conference rooms, not a normal poker room. It’s not weird. It’s not fiscally responsible to have hundreds of shuffle machines for a 2 month period. Tournaments held inside poker rooms that I have played in (Vegas included) use the shuffle machines.
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@luksuk As far as the jackpots go. it wouldnt matter either way if the player got up or not. first reason is that they still deal his hand as if he were there after the cards are dealt they collect the 2 cards so this woulndt throw of the cheat. second if he is involved with collecting the jackpot he would know not to leave the table.
when i said DIRECTLY IN HALF i didnt mean directly exactly in half. but i have asked the dealer could you cut the deck differently and they are not allowed to do so. also think about it the deck wouldnt need to be cut exactly in half for the cheat not to work. why, because if the cards being placed were meant for lets say 6th or 7th position the cheat would still be affect. the cards that are arranged are still lined up. try it yourself at home with a deck. hey maybe i am paranoid or just maybe im right on the button. its kind of strange how on the last four times i sat down at oceans eleven in a simple 20$ buy in the very 1st hand i got was AA!!!! four times in a row. on different days totally random i get dealt pocket aces.hmmmmmmmm i guess i was just lucky! my paranoid mind might just help us all down the road. Just do me favor fellow poker friend when you play with the machine next time pay attention to what i have been paranoid about. its really not that complex to stack the deck. especially a mathematical genius like a computer. also did you notice when they swap the machines out when they jam up. pay attention its not only a shuffler Its a mini computer with a computer fan and a switch with a hard drive! its programmable! trust that ! i simply just dont play with them anymore! its a bummer though because where i live there isnt one live cash game that is hand shuffled. morongo was the only won left that was hand shuffled, but guess what last month they shut down their poker room to revamp it and make it bigger they claim. funny thing is its the same exact size it has always been. the only difference is yup they now too only use these shufflers. go figure. now why on earth didnt they post that when they claimed it was to make the room bigger. the room is the same size people! if it was to put in tables for these so called legit shufflers then why didnt they just say that. anyways.. im not blind to see hope this helps.we should ban these stupid machines for good. i know i know keep dreaming there bucko! good luck all
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@INSIDESTR8 I could say so very much more on this, but I want to give few quick examples.
I folded a K3 into a 20 dollar raise at a 1/2 game in Vegas..
One caller.. Flop is AK3.. preflop raiser bets to 50, gets re-raised to 100, calls..
Turn card is 6.. Money goes all in on the turn.. and a call..
River card is another K..
So the board reads AK36K..
The preflop raiser flips over AA for a hand of AAAKK full house..
The other guy flips over KK for a hand of KKKKA quad kings with Ace kicker..
SICK!!!! Now remember what I folded?
K3.. So there was 5 kings in the deck..
I never called floor over quickly to check the muck pile, but I SWEAR this I folded K3.
The bad beat from the guy having AA is insane enough, but 5 kings? and of course I hit the K3 on the flop.. These sorts of hands are FAR MORE COMMON with the auto shuffler..
The board pairs far more often than it ever should in hand shuffle.
There are so many full houses it is beyond ’normal probability’ ..
More examples: Three different people here in Vegas told me that in the last few days they saw quads get beaten by straight flush. THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
That is supposed to be extremely rare and likely would never witness it or hear of someone witnessing it, yet here it happens three different times in a few short days of LIVE poker where not that many hands are dealt per hour. (max of maybe 50-60)
Why would the casino’s pay thousands of dollars for these card shufflers and tables?
Um ACTION and higher rake and higher tips for dealers.
Read more about how the card shuffler works and you will also find it doesn’t even matter about the ’cut’ the dealer makes.. Research it.. The cards can still be setup for action and not care whom gets ’favored’.. Usually o
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*Are Casino Machines Rigged
*Do Casino Player Cards Rigged Against
*Do Casino Player Cards Rigged Money
They rig the game by writing the rules such that the house wins a larger share of the money than the players. It isn’t very complicated. Here is how it works. Suppose we play a game. I lay down 5 cards, 3 black, 2 red. Now you are allowed to place a bet at 1-to-1 odds that you can pick a red card from the 5 face down cards. As it is extremely difficult to fold pocket aces post-flop, there is an increased risk that he will lose all his chips because of his playing style. Online poker is not rigged, but players who do not follow the basic strategies will lose money. Online Poker is Rigged Because Playing at a. Yep they are rigged but not how u may think. Cards are clumped over time when people play basic strategy. If you play enough you will observe that the dealer busts less tgan on a hand shuffle bj game. Any answer to the contrary is either by a novice or a casino staff member. Play hand shuffle for better odds, assuming you play basic strategy. Video poker games in main gaming jurisdictions are definitely not rigged. Inside video poker machines software is a random number generator or what we know as RNG. This basically keeps the simulated deck of cards used in the casino game constantly shuffled.
If you’ve played a card game in a Las Vegas casino, you’ve probably had your cards shuffled by an automatic card shuffler. These mysterious black boxes do their job, quietly and effectively, making sure the cards come out randomly, to protect both the casino and the player. Mostly the casino.
A Players Club card. Virtually every casino offers a players card, and virtually every casino Players Club offers you some sort of incentives to use the card. In today’s post, we’ll talk about this and why it’s a critical part of your gambling experience to use a players card.
We were given a rare glimpse into the inner workings of an automatic card shuffler at a Strip hotel during some routine maintenance. Our mind still hasn’t stopped being blown.Are Casino Machines Rigged
Automatic card shufflers are complicated. Like Las Vegas prostitution.
The shuffling machine’s a lot more complicated than we’d imagined. Wheels and gears and belts and motors move the cards around with robot-like efficiency, dispensing them based upon the game being played.
The machine we saw the innards of was being used at a three card poker table, so the cards were coming out in batches of three.
We grabbed some sweet video of the automatic card shuffler in action. Which we’re pretty sure we weren’t supposed to do. We’re not a big fan of rules. It won’t take long for you to learn this about us. Let’s watch.
Amazing stuff, don’t you think? It’s like capturing footage of a Sasquatch, or something even more rare, like video of Criss Angel solving a math problem.
Most automatic shuffling machines you see in casinos were made by Shufflemaster, a company now called SHFL Entertainment for reasons lost on us. In the SHFL offices, there’s a wooden prototype of their first automatic shuffler, from 1983, made mostly of wood.
Imagine a global company being based on wood. You know, like Playboy Enterprises.
The history of card shufflers is riveting, so naturally, you won’t find it here. Go here if you care to learn more. Best day to go to a casino and win.
We’re endlessly fascinated by how casinos do what they do. And you?
For the longest time I have been debating with other players about
these so-called random number generators machines that for some reason everyone believes they are legit. These machines cost over $10,000 for each unit not to just to be completely random. There are other features that make these much more valuable.
these machines have the ability to read every card while shuffling and they can be remotely programmed to play different card games. Each machine has 2 different cameras inside!
They claim the reason they use these machines is to get more hands
dealt. Each time a hand is dealt the house gets a few dollars for their
cut.The machines shuffle a deck while game is in play, so when one hand is done the dealer just loads the machine back up with the deck just played, while grabbing the other deck that’s been shuffled.
Can anyone answer any of these red flags because i have asked the
dealers the floor man the pit boss and not one have answered any.
1. Why do they have 2 cameras inside, when i spoke with a bally
representative he claimed its to catch cheaters. He had a machine
opened up and showed me the cameras he then took a card out while it was opened and turned it on. the shuffler started shuffling and then stopped. Sure enough, on the screen popped up the 8 of hearts the card that the rep. was holding. IT CAN READ THE CARDS PEOPLE! RED FLAG!
2. I then asked the rep. can this machine only play 1 game? The rep.
said oh no this game can be remotely programmed to play any game the user desires. IT CAN BE REMOTELY PROGRAMMED PEOPLE!THEREFORE IT CAN BE REMOTELY PROGRAMMED AND PLACE ANY CARD WHERE IT CHOOSES.THINK ABOUT IT.
IT CAN GIVE YOU THE BEST LOOKING HAND MAKING YOU THINK THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY OF LOSING. SO YOU GO ALL IN,EITHER PRE FLOP WITH YOUR ACES OR KINGS OR AFTER THE FLOP, ON THE TURN, OR THE RIVER! ONLY TO LOSE ALL
YOUR CHIPS TO SOME DONKEY HAND.THE ARGUMENT I HAVE WITH OTHER PLAYERS IS WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS WHEN WE ARE ALL PLAYING AGAINST ONE ANOTHER.
WELL.... LETS JUST THROW OUT ONE REMARK THAT THEY MAKE ENOUGH MONEY. HAVE YOU EVER MET ANYONE THAT CLAIMS THEY MAKE ENOUGH MONEY? In my opinion the main reason they dictate the cards is for JACKPOTS! YOU KNOW FOR SURE THESE CASINOS HATE PAYING OUT THE JACKPOTS. WITH THESE MACHINES THEY CAN DECIDE WHEN AND WHAT SEATS HIT AND HAVE THEIR PLAYER OR PLAYERS COLLECT THE PURSE. THAT’S A NO BRAINER! one casino i have played at there is this old man who has hit the jackpot over 30 times while others that have played there just as much never hit it once. Hes just real lucky that’s all! Another argument is they cant do that they will get caught by the gaming commission. They monitor all the casinos. How are they going to catch them its impossible to prove.
3. Ive asked the dealer why do they cut the deck every time in half. why cant they cut it differently each shuffle. their response is they cant.WHY CANT THEY! RED FLAG
4.ON SEVERAL INSTANCES THE SHUFFLERS JAM UP AND STOP WORKING. SO WHY AT THAT POINT INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR A NEW MACHINE TO BE IN LIKE MOST OF THEM DO, WHY DON’T THEY START SHUFFLING AND DEAL THE CARDS. THEY ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING MORE DROPS IN?
5. DON’T YOU THINK THAT ITS STRANGE HOW THE WSOP DOESN’T USE THESE MACHINES. THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE COMPETE AGAINST ONE ANOTHER, WOULDN’T YOU THINK THEY WOULD WANT TO GET THROUGH THE HANDS WITH MUCH FASTER AND
WITH A RANDOM NUMBER SHUFFLE THEN HAND SHUFFLED.
If anyone has any insight on why this continues in all the casinos, or
any factual rebuttals, i would love to hear from you. As it stands right now for me i don’t play with these machines anymore only
hand shuffled games which are only tournaments. being in southern
California there is only one casino that i have come across that has a
hand shuffled cash game and that 2 hours from me. Comments
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I have definitely been pondering this one for a few reasons. One has to do with an experience in a small poker room using the machines a few years back when the cards just landed too strangely to be real for a whole Friday night. The next day was ’normal’ again. I didn’t think about it too much as I was a beneficiary that night as a ’new’ player I was welcomed with great hands, pots, and a lot of money that night. After that first night, it was never the same again for me there. I still look back at that night and say to myself, was I really that good at poker that I was able to turn $100 into $2000 in 4 hours? That has never happened before or since.
Fast forward to today, when I know much more about technology, and card odds.
I took a random interest in 3 card poker this week, and starting watching it more. It is computer dealt to each player first 3 cards at a time with the dealer last under very strict rules about staying in your seat at all times, waiting for all cards to be dealt before looking, and never hand-shuffled ever. I also had a pro tell me that it is typically good to sit first or last in a full or nearly full game. That sounded bizarre to me, but I tested it, and sure enough, I was hitting bonuses, 3 card straights and flushes, and was even struck by some of the full houses made by neighboring hands, whether it connected to the dealer or not (the full house bonus of your best 5 made from your 3 cards with the house’s 3 cards). Sitting in the middle of the table was death for almost everyone.
Not my favorite game in general, but it did make me think more about those machines.
So, there are 2 schools of thought- One is that it just is not good for business if this was really happening, and who would keep pouring money down a fixed system, not to mention liability from the company that makes Shuffle Master.
Enough people win, that it doesn’t look fixed, and it’s nearly impossible to prove. Also, we Americans like to think that the gaming commission would prevent such a thing; however, how many times in the last 20 years have we made discoveries as a society about things that should have been caught, noticed, or detected and it took way too long. (9-11 for instance among 1000s) However, it is interesting that one company alone has a monopoly on these machines which have been adopted into most major casinos, and it has all the features you mentioned. Not that Vegas hasn’t had a monopoly on other businesses, and made sure that maximum gain was made at the expense of the gambler. We all know it’s possible, but would they really give a game a house edge to maximize profit? Certainly. Would people still win? Certainly. Does blackjack seem wonky when played out of one of those machines? Absolutely. Are flops stranger than hell from those machines, yes! Do more players get pocket pairs and A-J, A-Q, A-K then usual from those machines? Yes. I have noticed all of these, but can’t really prove it.
I have been careful not to mention any specifics in this dialogue, but I am very curious if others experiences resemble mine in any way in any or other games. It seems that once you detect the patterns, you can effectively play better, but there will always be random curveballs thrown into the mix. And, we can’t forget that Poker especially can be as random as it gets, and anything is truly possible. But, once you’ve seen enough hands, I think most of us can detect something is strange when too many things happen that are too good to be truly random.
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thank you both for your advice. shuffle masters was bought by a company called Bally. I was at the Bicycle casino and was walking through the floor and i came across a fellow who worked for bally not the casino. he was a repair man. he had a shuffler with the top cover removed so you could see the inside. This was a great time i thought to get some answers about the machines that all the casinos use. So i played it cool and asked him can these machines read cards. he said yes they each are equipped with 2 cameras. i then asked can this machine just play 3 card poker or 5 card stud etc.. he said oh no these machines can be remotely programmed to play any game. he also stated how expensive they were and how they are rented by casinos like you said. Those 2 facts are a recipe for disaster. This proves that machines are capable of setting up the deck how ever they want. Now are we to be trusting knowing its impossible to prove that these poker rooms are not going to cheat us, im sorry fellas they are for sure. try this next live cash game you play. At all the single deck BJ tables they allow you to cut the deck with a card and some other games when they use a shoe. you are allowed to cut it where ever you choose true? Ask the dealer to cut the deck in a different place then always directly in half. this would throw off the deck and eliminate the cheat. They wont do it. they claim that they are not allowed to. WTF is that all about. I asked them why? they have no reason why just because! now that’s another RED FLAG. I am blown away at most players refusal to see the truth and back these machines without even looking at the facts. The casino could also offer at least 1 table that has a hand shuffled live cash game but they are too greedy apparently. This is a big deal when it comes down to it. I would think by having just these few red flags that something could be done to blackball these cheats. The house is already favored without these machines. am i really asking too much?
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These are my thoughts based on a poker room only, not pit games..
1. In the event of cheating, it is always beneficial and faster to know what card is missing so it can be identified and, as a player, ensures me that I am in fact NOT being cheated by someone holding a card. You’re focused on being cheated by the casino when it’s design is to prevent being cheated by others which helps you.
2. There is no way the machines are used to ’set up the deck’ to hit jackpots. I will have to agree with @zzjitterzz that you are being far too paranoid. Additionally, the machine can never know if, after being shuffled, a one or multiple players will ask to be dealt out, get up for a walk etc. which will change the order of the deal. Additionally, there is no way to tell how any player will a specific hand.
3. Cutting the deck was done historically to prevent stacking the deck. Cutting it in half makes sense. Also, if you can find me a dealer that can cut a deck at the 26th card every single time, I would be impressed. Setting up a deck, then cutting it exactly at card 26 seems like an impossibility. Dealers cut decks around the half way mark but no chance they are exact every time which means the deal is going to be different even if the deck is ’set up.’
4. It is faster to clear a jam than it is to replace a machine. Yes they are concerned about getting more drops in - casinos are not non-profit organizations. As a poker player, I would like more hands per hour as well. That should be seen as a win/win. Also, I have seen on many occasions that when a machine malfunctions a couple times, they will replace it and hand shuffle until a different machine is brought over.
5. WSOP utilizes fold out tables to accommodate the thousands of players in multiple conference rooms, not a normal poker room. It’s not weird. It’s not fiscally responsible to have hundreds of shuffle machines for a 2 month period. Tournaments held inside poker rooms that I have played in (Vegas included) use the shuffle machines.
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@luksuk As far as the jackpots go. it wouldnt matter either way if the player got up or not. first reason is that they still deal his hand as if he were there after the cards are dealt they collect the 2 cards so this woulndt throw of the cheat. second if he is involved with collecting the jackpot he would know not to leave the table.
when i said DIRECTLY IN HALF i didnt mean directly exactly in half. but i have asked the dealer could you cut the deck differently and they are not allowed to do so. also think about it the deck wouldnt need to be cut exactly in half for the cheat not to work. why, because if the cards being placed were meant for lets say 6th or 7th position the cheat would still be affect. the cards that are arranged are still lined up. try it yourself at home with a deck. hey maybe i am paranoid or just maybe im right on the button. its kind of strange how on the last four times i sat down at oceans eleven in a simple 20$ buy in the very 1st hand i got was AA!!!! four times in a row. on different days totally random i get dealt pocket aces.hmmmmmmmm i guess i was just lucky! my paranoid mind might just help us all down the road. Just do me favor fellow poker friend when you play with the machine next time pay attention to what i have been paranoid about. its really not that complex to stack the deck. especially a mathematical genius like a computer. also did you notice when they swap the machines out when they jam up. pay attention its not only a shuffler Its a mini computer with a computer fan and a switch with a hard drive! its programmable! trust that ! i simply just dont play with them anymore! its a bummer though because where i live there isnt one live cash game that is hand shuffled. morongo was the only won left that was hand shuffled, but guess what last month they shut down their poker room to revamp it and make it bigger they claim. funny thing is its the same exact size it has always been. the only difference is yup they now too only use these shufflers. go figure. now why on earth didnt they post that when they claimed it was to make the room bigger. the room is the same size people! if it was to put in tables for these so called legit shufflers then why didnt they just say that. anyways.. im not blind to see hope this helps.we should ban these stupid machines for good. i know i know keep dreaming there bucko! good luck all
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@INSIDESTR8 I could say so very much more on this, but I want to give few quick examples.
I folded a K3 into a 20 dollar raise at a 1/2 game in Vegas..
One caller.. Flop is AK3.. preflop raiser bets to 50, gets re-raised to 100, calls..
Turn card is 6.. Money goes all in on the turn.. and a call..
River card is another K..
So the board reads AK36K..
The preflop raiser flips over AA for a hand of AAAKK full house..
The other guy flips over KK for a hand of KKKKA quad kings with Ace kicker..
SICK!!!! Now remember what I folded?
K3.. So there was 5 kings in the deck..
I never called floor over quickly to check the muck pile, but I SWEAR this I folded K3.
The bad beat from the guy having AA is insane enough, but 5 kings? and of course I hit the K3 on the flop.. These sorts of hands are FAR MORE COMMON with the auto shuffler..
The board pairs far more often than it ever should in hand shuffle.
There are so many full houses it is beyond ’normal probability’ ..
More examples: Three different people here in Vegas told me that in the last few days they saw quads get beaten by straight flush. THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
That is supposed to be extremely rare and likely would never witness it or hear of someone witnessing it, yet here it happens three different times in a few short days of LIVE poker where not that many hands are dealt per hour. (max of maybe 50-60)
Why would the casino’s pay thousands of dollars for these card shufflers and tables?
Um ACTION and higher rake and higher tips for dealers.
Read more about how the card shuffler works and you will also find it doesn’t even matter about the ’cut’ the dealer makes.. Research it.. The cards can still be setup for action and not care whom gets ’favored’.. Usually o
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